424 ANNALS OF ROGER D E HOTEDEN. A.D. 1176. infants, and whether they were saved by baptism, and as to the body and blood of our Lord, where they were consecrated, and by whom, and who partook thereof, and if the same was more efficaciously or better consecrated by a good man than by a bad one ; also as to marriage, whether they could possibly be saved, if a man and woman were carnally united : they made answer that as to their faith and as to the baptism of infants they would not say, nor were they obliged to say. As to the body and blood of the Lord, they said that he who partook thereof worthily was saved, and he who did so unworthily ensured his own damnation thereby. As to marriages, they said that man and woman were joined together for the avoiding of sensuality and fornication, as Saint9' Paul says. They also said many things upon which they were not questioned, as, that they ought not to swear by any oath whatsoever, in conformity with what Saint John says in his Gospel, and Saint James in his Epistle. They also said that Saint Paul preached that bishops and priests were to be ordained in the church, and that, if such were not ordained as he directed, they would not be bishops or priests, but ravening wolves, hypocrites and seducers, lovers of salutations in the market-place, and of the chief seats and higher places at feasts, and desirous to be called " Eabbi," contrary to the commands of Christ ; wearers of albs and white garments, and of rings of gold and gems on their fingers, which their master did not command them to do. That consequently, because the bishops and priests were just such men as the priests were who delivered up Jesus, it was their duty not to obey them, because they were evil. Accordingly, the allegations having been heard on both sides before Gerard, bishop of Alby, and judges having been chosen and appointed by either side, and the aforesaid Gerard, bishop of Alby, Eoger, abbat of Castres, Peter, abbat of Aire, the abbat of Candiel, and Arnold of Narbonne, presiding and assenting thereto, the said matters were discussed in the presence of worthy men, both of the prelacy and clergy, as also of the laity, that is to say, of Peter, the lord archbishop of Narbonne, and other bishops, abbats, archdeacons, counts, and influential men of that province to the number of twenty, and of nearly the whole population of Alby and 9 7 The word " Saint" is added to the name, as more in conformity with the present custom.